Ep 30 - Advice from an ADHD Coach: Featuring Jen Hanson

This week we have the pleasure of speaking with ADHD Coach Jen Hanson. Jen brings a wealth of knowledge and empathy to her coaching practice. As an RN with ADHD herself and a parent of two ADHD-diagnosed kids, Jen understands firsthand the challenges that come with managing ADHD symptoms, particularly when it comes to home organization.

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Carly: Welcome Friends. So today I am super excited because we are bringing you another ADHD resource as we continue this conversation about ADHD and organization. And I have ADHD coach Jen Hansen with me today. We are going to be talking about the intersection between the coaching that she does and home organization and just diving into a bunch of fun stuff.

So yeah, let's just get on into it. Jen, welcome to the show.

Jen Hanson: Thank you for having me. I am super excited to be here.

Carly: I am so excited to have you too. And I want to give a shout-out to Missy from Clear Spaces. it is blanking on me which episode is going to air first? We had a conversation with Missy about some ADHD books and resources that we lean on when we are helping our clients.

And she introduced us. She was like, you have to talk to Jen. She is amazing. So, Thank you so much to Missy, and thank you for coming onto the show and having this conversation today.

Jen Hanson: Absolutely. My pleasure.

Carly: So I'll just start with an introduction. I am going to let you take it away. Let us know who you are and what you do in the world.

Jen Hanson: Okay. So interestingly enough, I am also a Registered Nurse. I am an RN and I am a professional ADHD life coach in Minneapolis. I also have intensive ADHD. I use a strengths and empowerment-based approach to help clients set a foundation to leverage strengths and outsource things that are hard for them so they can get what they want in life.

It is a partnership to help clients discover and embrace their unique brains. It is a ton of fun and I love doing it.

Carly: That is so awesome. I think that is so interesting that you do have so many years under your belt as an RN and as somebody with ADHD.

You are also a parent of two ADHD-diagnosed tween daughters. Can you share a little bit more about your journey and what made you want to pursue specifically ADHD focused?

Jen Hanson: Yes. Thanks for asking. It is kind of interesting when I first went to college, I wanted to be a psychiatrist. I feel like I made a full circle here.

I am back in the psychology world again. I went to med school or pre-med, and I was just not in a place in my life where I could do it. I was undiagnosed at the time, so I went into nursing. But what was cool about that was I realized that I could jump in and do these high, fast-paced, intense Nursing jobs– like Critical Care and Emergency Room. It was great for my brain, you know, as I reflect. So I did all the high-intensity nursing fields and loved it, but I kept thinking, you know, I wanted to be more holistic in how I helped patients and I wanted more time with them. So I took a couple of years, you know, while I was still nursing, to kind of explore what I want to do differently now. I had, like you said, Two girls, the twins who both got diagnosed, and by raising them as a parent, and an advocate for them, I learned so much about their ADHD diagnosis. And that is what stuck with me.

Then I went to see a seminar on executive function in ADHD, and it was taught by an ADHD coach. I was like, holy moly what is that? And it just kind of stuck in my head for two years. Then I got diagnosed and then I was like, well, now I am going to go back to school for this because it affects my whole family.

I am incredibly curious and interested and it just sort of fits who I am as a person, somebody who loves advocacy, supporting people, and letting them come as they are. So it is a real strength for me. So that is kind of how I ended up here and it has been kind of an adventure.

Carly: I love it so much.

I think that it is so incredible that you can be this resource for others and take all these things that you've learned in your combined, you know, multi-decade experience and bring this to the table. It is so, so cool.

Jen Hanson: Thank you so much. I think so too.

Carly: Can you please share in your experience, the overlap between what you and I do? Like how does home organization coincide with ADHD?

Jen Hanson: Sure. Absolutely. You know, it is interesting when you mentioned Missy and she reached out to me and we had coffee and we were having a conversation about her professional organizing business and what I do as an ADHD coach.

She was noticing a lot of her clients have ADHD, whether they disclose it or she recognized some of the traits. ADHD affects how people approach organization and decluttering. All the pieces and parts that go into organization. All of those aspects are affected by ADHD.

For instance, motivation.

Staying engaged with something boring or overwhelming.

Being able to be focused on it without getting distracted.

Then, we all know how much we have to break it down into smaller pieces to get it done. Clients get overwhelmed by that. They also may not have the energy to do it without the negative self-talk and the shame around actually digging into organization.

Then finally, like with our tendency for time blindness. The reward of completing an organizational project is so distant that we can't even hold onto it. It makes it hard because we can't get that reward. We don't see it. So it affects it in many different ways.

Carly: Something I have noticed that comes up a lot, and I noted in the free class that I have that it is going to be linked in the show notes.

The phrase that people use all the time is “I don't worry about getting my home organized because I am always going to have to keep up with it.” They feel like it is never-ending. And in a lot of ways, It is. I liken it to other healthy habits– getting enough sleep, staying hydrated, and moving our bodies.

it is one of those things that we break down into small, manageable daily things. It is a marathon, not a sprint. I often talk about incorporating it into healthy lifestyle practices In little chunks. Because of the overwhelm in getting started and the never finishing and the maintaining, people are like, why bother?

I talk about that a lot, but I would love to hear from you. Do you hear clients saying the why bother part? What would your response be? Why do you believe that people should bother?

Jen Hanson: Yeah. Yeah. No, I totally know what you're saying. So it is like they are afraid it is not going to stick.

They have tried and tried and tried and they failed… or what they call failure and it doesn't stick. So they default to that negativity bias. Our brain loves to tell us but I can't get this right. I have never done it right. So they don't even believe or permit themselves to even try to do it, even with support.

Carly: Yeah. I can definitely see that. I guess that is one of the reasons why we are always talking about this here.

Lack of perfection is really the most important thing. It is not going to be like, okay, we are going to take two weeks and we are going to declutter your house, and then you are done forever. Yeah. it is not that. It is more of a let's get some skills under our belt. Let's get a toolkit in place so that when we want to make these things happen in our home, we have the resources to work on it, and we have the resources to keep it up.

I am always talking about this pile of clothes next to my bed. I love nothing more than taking my clothes off at the end of the day and throwing them in a pile. I love it. I hate folding my clothes at the end of the day, and I do this for a living. It is not that there is not a pile. It is just that I put away the pile four to six days a week.

It takes five minutes versus not putting away the pile for a month and a half and then having to take two hours to work on it. That really is the difference. You can still love to throw things in a pile and that is fine. It is not about perfection. It is not about putting away everything the second that you are done with it. It is about regular maintenance and because you do it regularly, it takes less time. You know how to do it quickly versus it being an overwhelming thing. Anyway, that was a little bit of a tangent.

Jen Hanson: Yeah. No, I, and I have some things to say about that because Yeah. You hit on a lot of things that clients struggle with, like perfectionism and what good enough looks like for them.

And also having somebody willing to work with them to figure out what's going to make it. This new habit. Yeah. For their unique brain. So you can give them advice all day long and they could try all the things, but it might not ever stick if it is not how they process the world, how they process information, and how they see what's good enough for them.

Also, again, the timeline. This piece is what is going to be the reward if. put the time in to get this habit. And also to leave space for, is it okay that I have a pile? Maybe the kitchen is the priority and the pile of clothes is okay, but it doesn't have to be everything.

It doesn't have to be perfect.

Carly: Remembering this is really important no matter, you know, who you are and what you have going on in life, but remembering that none of us have time to do all the things all the time. We just don't Exactly. There's always going to be more to do. So it is more about prioritizing than trying to make everything happen constantly.

Jen Hanson: Absolutely. And I was going to mention also, you know, a lot of clients with ADHD have working memory issues. , you know, once they figure out a structure and a process that works for them, I encourage them to get it down on paper or in, you know, in something we like to call personal operations manual.

Once they figure it out, then they can refer to that later when things feel overwhelming. Why does it feel like a lot? They have a place to go, okay, this is how I broke it down, what worked. And it supports their memory when they do that.

Carly: So something I have found helpful for my clients. More and more I have noticed. Have ADHD or disclosing ADHD or the children have ADHD. it is coming up more and more, which is why we are having these conversations and it is great. But something I found and made a change in my own business that I believe has been helpful is I was sending notes to all my in-home clients, like following our session, and I still do that, but.

For most of my clients, it is also helpful if they're linked somewhere in a shared drive and so like all the notes for the whole year are in one place. So then they can go back and refer to it instead of trying to find it. it is just like, okay, it is here and it is just a date and notes in one document and that seems to be working out.

Jen Hanson: Absolutely. Yeah. So that is kind of supporting their memory giving them a toolbox as you said. That is amazing. It works great for the ADHD client and brain.

Carly: Yes. Yes. So let's talk about inattentive ADHD.

A phrase that I was asked specifically to touch base with you about. Can you please share what it is and how it comes into play with decluttering and home organization?

Jen Hanson: Yeah, so ADHD has three subtypes.1. hyperactive presentation, 2. inattentive presentation, and 3. combined. So it is kinda a spectrum where combined or hyperactive clients might be outwardly hyper or fidgety moving and attentive clients don't show that as much. it is a little more internalized. Some of the things I have noticed with my inattentive clients, (I am also inattentive) is that energy can be a real challenge when they get overwhelmed by a lot of different things coming at 'em at once and it drains their energy.

So it is really hard to sustain doing a task for long periods. So I have also seen that. You know, for inattentive clients, it is kind of interesting. We tend to not be the disruptors, though the diagnosis slips through the cracks and a lot of women- the inattentive ones- are getting diagnosed as adults now.

So I have lots of adult women who are in their thirties, and forties that are getting diagnosed. Smart, right? Like they figured out life and then something like a transition might come into their life, like having children for instance. All of a sudden now it is really hard to manage to add one more thing into their life, so that prompts them to maybe wonder what's going on.

A lot of that happened during the pandemic as well. When people are working from home and wait a minute, all my structure's taken away. Yes. So it is not so much the outward hyperactivity. Sometimes people say they look lazy or unmotivated, which can be hard on our self-talk. It feeds the shame.

So I am really glad you asked about it because I feel like there's not enough information out in the world about this particular presentation.

Carly: If someone feels like they're hearing you talking and they're like, oh my gosh, maybe that is me. And I know this wasn't in the questions I gave you, but what would you recommend their first steps be towards advocating for themselves in a possible diagnosis? Yes.

Jen Hanson: So I would start, you know if they have a good relationship with their primary physician, that usually is a good, safe place to start, where it is like they have a relationship with someone if they're already seeing a psychiatrist.

For other things, I tell people to ask like, You know, point out what are the symptoms, what they've read online, how they can see that this coincides to advocate for themselves because this gets overlooked a lot. So even if someone says, no, I don't think so, and they like in their soul, feel like this is what it is, it is inattentive.

Then go to the psychiatrist, go to the psychologist. Don't stop until you get somebody who is hearing you and listening to you. Even practitioners aren't great at diagnosing, especially inattentive because we don't look like the typical presentation of ADHD.

Carly: That is super helpful.

Thank you. Can you please share a few tips, maybe three tips that you've found helpful in your own home as far as home organization or decluttering with ADHD?

Jen Hanson: Okay. Absolutely. Great question. Mine are not the typical ones. They're more about my brain. Love it. So for instance, I know. If I am going to tackle something that is not interesting to me and feels tedious, I need to ignite my brain in some sort of way.

So I love music. That is probably my best motivator. Also exercise chatting with a friend while I am doing it. Something that is going to make, bring interest to my brain, and satisfy that need while I do the thing. So that is one of my biggest ones. A few other things I do or start with something easy and interesting, and then once I get some momentum behind that interesting, fun piece I need to do, and then I do the boring thing.

So kind of like a momentum kind of spills over into the next task. Some clients like to make it a game. I do this too with dishes. I hate dishes. I hate dishes. So sometimes I challenge myself, which is great for the ADHD brain to make it a race. Like, how fast can I get this done and have I broken dishes doing this?

Yes. But do I get my dishes done? Yes. So perfect. It is really helpful. Also, You know, sometimes creating rituals around what you do every day. This is the routine that I do every morning. I get my brain ignited. These are the two things I get done every morning. Create some sort of ritual. I have had clients get super creative with how they get things done.

It is so much fun to see them create these systems. I have a client recently. He's a real tech guy and he is into numbers and spreadsheets. But that helped him to just sit down and even look at how long it takes him to do tasks because he was thinking something would take hours that only took him 20 minutes.

Yeah. So just awareness around how long things take. it is also super important and I know this is probably more than three but I can't stress enough the teaming up with. Whether it is your partner, a friend, or your kids, like scheming up with others being connected helps us get things done. The final thing I'll mention is having prompts in your visual space.

You know, something that is going to help you remember to do the thing or the thing you want to get done every morning. Have that in your space. So it is like a reminder, a visual prompt that says, oh yeah, I need to do that, instead of just blindly walking out the door and going on to my next thing that is more interesting.

Those are some things that come to mind when I think about getting things done.

Carly: Love it. Love it. When you were talking about. Chatting with a friend. Something I wanted to touch on, again, not in the notes, but this made me think of it, is yeah. How important body doubling is in the ADHD community.

And for those with especially with the diagnosis, like once you learn about it, it is like, oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, that is very important. And something that I find so interesting like this will never not be interesting to me, is that when we started our online community and had folks joining who had ADHD, they were often skeptical at the start that we could have a body-doubling experience in a virtual space, which I completely understand. It has been so much fun to see how things like the Q & A calls or we have these longer stretches of time called the Day of Tidy, where Zoom is just on for three hours and I am here. You can pop in, you can ask questions, but we try.

it is not as much like chit-chat, it is more like we are all here, we are getting our stuff done, we pop in for questions, maybe a little bit of chit-chat, and then we'd like to get back on task. And during our Q, & A calls too, there's no pressure to like, sit, watch, have your camera on, and be attentive. it is like, no, you can have your camera off.

You can have it on if that helps you. But everyone is encouraged to do their own thing and ask questions as needed. and using that time as like, get shit done time. Has been helpful and was a real game changer in the community when we decided to make everything all about, okay, let's use this time to get our things done versus sitting camera on eye contact talk type of thing.

Jen Hanson: Yes. I That is so exciting that you do that. I am very excited that you do that because you're right. You're seeing the benefits of it. It is like having an accountability partnership. Yes. With others. It is like there's an energy of getting things done. It is old, I have a study buddy, right?

Yes. Like we have done these things naturally our whole lives, but we forget. That we can use them again now as adults to get things done. Yeah. Especially when people are not working at in, in their businesses anymore. They're working from home. We get isolated and we'll have that connection.

Also, the other thing that is helpful for an ADHD client is having a deadline or an appointment time. I committed to this, somebody's counting on me. And I am going to be there. So just doing that and being able to like, say, I am going to do X, Y, and Z. You're doing X, Y, Z. It helps us get things done.

Could I share a quick client story

Carly: Yes. Absolutely.

Jen Hanson: It is so interesting to see the creative ways my clients get things done. It is so fun to see. So we all know there are body-doubling websites out there in the world where it is like a fee every month and you can sign up and pop on to get things done with others.

Oh, wow. Yeah. There are a couple that comes to mind. Let's see. One is… I am going to space the name now, but if you just search ADHD, if you just search body-doubling websites, there are multiple out there. Even add.org has some body-doubling sessions that they do with some people getting things done, setting up their businesses, et cetera.

So it is really effective. But for my client, one of her more challenging things was getting to work on time and leaving work on time. So she would set up a body double session. For her to just get ready in the morning. Like, you know, it is like, okay, now I have to log in and now I know I have this much time to get ready and when that session is done, then I am walking out the door.

So, she would do it the same way at the end of her day. I thought this was so creative, because she's like, the last hour of the day I am going to recheck emails and do my body double session. When that session is done I am leaving work and I am moving on. And it just was so helpful for her to do that, just to have that accountability.

Yeah.

Carly: That is amazing. I love that. it is super creative and it makes you know, you set the appointment, we are always saying to get things on your calendar as the thing that helps you. Finalize whatever project it is, like whether that is to say you need to get something from the store.

That is actually why I promote shipping a lot.

Carly: It just shows up and then you implement it. But even, you know, taking donations, so you do a bunch of cloud decluttering and then you have donations like find, look at your calendar, physically look at it and say, when is a good time for me to either take it on the way to somewhere else like there's a donation drop off near my grocery store.

We have so many donations just from work that I have someone else take them, and then she drops 'em off and goes to The Container Store, and then comes and drops off whatever you have to buy for the week.

But yeah, getting it on the calendar is so much, it is so important to make things happen and kind of close that loop.

Jen Hanson: Absolutely. And you touched on, you know, that momentum piece there too. Like you're already out doing something, this is when you go drop off your donations, right? Yeah.

Because if it is the only thing on your calendar that day to get out of the house and drop it off, it might not get done. The Container Store is fun.

Carly: I think so

Jen Hanson: the motivation to get out. Yeah. Go check out some cool containers.

Carly: Exactly. See what bins are out there. Exactly.

Jen Hanson: Totally. Okay.

Carly: How does someone know Jen if they're a good candidate to work with an ADHD coach?

Jen Hanson: Absolutely. That is a good question. So, you know, the first thing I thought about this question when you asked me and the first thing I think, you know, is a diagnosis, but at the same time, I have lots of clients who have suspected diagnosis.

They know and maybe they're waiting six months to a year to go get neuro-psych testing. Do they wait, you know, to get their life started? For that, I encourage people if they. And they have family members that have it, or their kids are diagnosed, this is genetic, you know, put the pieces together. And ultimately I am a life coach, so I am a life coach trained with an ADHD lens so people can always reach out.

And consult with me and just discuss their thoughts on this. And it helps them give, you know, direction on how they want to approach it if they're not diagnosed yet. So I would say either, either person can come and consult. it is the, you know, I mostly work with adults, but it is interesting, some coaches work with kids too.

I imagine you have a fair amount of clients that are women and mothers and parents that you know, that their kids might have the diagnosis as well. Coaches also work with kids. And often people feel like, you know, what kind of cues them in that something Is coming up and could it be ADHD?

They might feel like they have unmet potential. Feel not in control of their lives. I bet you hear that a lot. They've tried other types of support, but still, something feels missing to help them move forward. So those are some of the common things I hear from clients that kind of queue them in that something needs to be addressed.

A lot of my clients also work with therapists. You know, we are a great team, a coach and a therapist. We love working together, for our clients. There is, you know if I could touch on the distinction a little bit yeah. Between therapy and coaching, I think a lot of people are curious about that.

I love therapists and there are so many different types of therapy. I always have a hard time telling people what therapy is because I am not one.

The thing that I ultimately take away from therapy is, you know, they're facilitating healing through treatment and diagnosis based on mental health challenges.

But as I said, there are so many therapies out there, but coaching and therapy have some overlap because we do. Both work on mindset, maybe what you're feeling, what your emotions are around what you're doing. You know, we untangle that. We, where a coach is, may be different, but also some therapists might have this approach, but the lines are a little blurry that we are helping clients discover the strengths that they already have. We are helping them be aware and to help them create creative strategies to get things done and to get what they want in life. But we also explore beliefs, values, patterns, self-awareness, you know, all while holding space for clients to peel back the layers of who they are at their essence.

Where I think therapists would probably say they do some of that as well. Ultimately I just hope my clients, you know, leave the session feeling clear on what they want. Opening doors to seeing new possibilities and feeling empowered to move toward their goals. So we are a little more action-oriented than therapists. That would be the biggest difference, I would say.

Carly: I love it so much. If anyone's listening and you have not tapped into the power of coaching plus therapy, I highly recommend it. . .

Jen Hanson: Yeah. It is life-changing.

Carly: Life-changing doesn't even begin to like, scratch the surface of what that convo could be.

Jen, you're currently meeting with folks virtually correct? Yes. Awesome. So anyone out there who wants to work with you, then they can connect with you. They don't need to be local to Minneapolis. They can connect with you on the, and your link will be in the show notes as well. Okay.

So if, say if somebody has ADHD and they decide they wanted to work with a home organizer, okay, what are some things that they should keep in mind or that you would kind of suggest that they're thinking about asking about as they're choosing someone that is

Jen Hanson: right for them? Okay. I love this question because, you know, just with that connection with Missy and now connecting to you realizing the impact of adding an organizer to the team, right?

It takes a village to support us with this diagnosis. So I would say if you meet an organizer, I think it is important to disclose so that they know maybe typical strategies are not going to work for you. That is the biggest thing. I am just loving the idea of having ADHD-informed organizers. I think this is amazing and you guys are going to help so many people when you know, as you develop this deeper understanding of ADHD and the connection to what you do.

And then I would say that you. Helping your clients be empowered to get creative about how they. To their organizing. It might not be the typical strategy to give them that space to ask them questions. I am like, what might work for them? What's worked in the past? How can we develop a strategy that will stick?

Making sure the organizer really has, you know, you feel that vibe with them, that they're going to be compassionate and empathetic because this is such a source of shame for clients. So to have somebody like that is a dream. And to have somebody who doesn't judge and really gets it and is open to being creative is like the most amazing tool they could have with an organizer.

Carly: To piggyback on that too, if something I have found that comes up a lot is that you know, at the end of the day, As I am creating solutions with folks, I am not going to be the one living in your house. So I am always letting people know if, say I have an idea of a solution and you feel like it doesn't necessarily feel quite right to you, even if you don't know what the answer is.

I always encourage folks to speak up and just let me know. If that doesn't feel right to you, just let me know. because a lot of organization just. , a lot of finding the right organizer is about how you feel, and it is about a vibe, which sounds a little bit woo, and maybe it is, But if a solution doesn't feel good to you and it feels like you're butting up against it, you're not going to be inclined to stick with it.

And I have been. Pleasantly surprised at the different solutions that we have uncovered is the best for clients that were not my idea. And we just kind of lean into like, okay, if this isn't feeling right, then like what kind of. You know, what kind of ease are you looking for? What is the resistance about?

Let's figure out how to remove the resistance. Let's figure out your patterns as far as where you are when you need the thing, where you are when you need the solution, where you are when the issue happens, and ergonomically how you flow about your day. And digging into all of those. Can just come up with some amazing things that I would never think of, but that people can really that people lean into and it works better for them.

So if it works better for them, then it is going to happen more

Jen Hanson: easily, right? I mean, ultimately you want them to have success and you're embracing this coach mindset with what you're doing. Like you're asking questions, you're making sure it is going to work for them. And a lot of clients are really sensitive.

They're going to pick up. Who you are right away and go, I like this person, or no, you're not for me. But from what I am hearing, you're creating this safe space for them to be, and it is okay to explore. And if they come up with something different, that is not weird, that is kind of cool and creative.

Yeah. This safe space for them to do that is amazing. So kudos to you.

Carly: So much fun. You're welcome. Do you mind if I share a story about a creative solution that came up? Please? Yeah. Love it. This isn't with an ADHD client specifically, but it was with a teen and I was just like, this continues to blow me away.

Every time I think about it, it makes me so happy. So, this teen I was working with that I knew we had a good relationship personally too. And their parent had been a client, somebody I'd known for a while. So, we were working in their closet and the issue was that they kept putting clothes on the floor and it was like driving their parent crazy.

And they were like, listen, I really hate folding my clothes. I really hate putting my clothes on hangers. It is not feeling intuitive to me. we are like, okay, what is the path of least resistance? Is it putting things in drawers? But you don't worry about folding? Like, does that feel, and you're like you know what I'd really like?

it is like Spice Girls… tell me what you want, what you really really want.

Totally. And then we are like, what I really want is I want a second hamper, and that is for my clean clothes and nobody bugs me about it. And I can just put the clean clothes in the hamper. I can just throw 'em in there, grab what I need, and.

Yeah, it won't be on the hangar. It won't be in the drawers. Can everyone leave me alone? But it won't be on the floor. Like that was the compromise. And Mom said sure. I don't care. As long as it is not on the floor. That is what's driving me crazy. Clothes everywhere. So we got a second hamper and it worked and they were able to maintain it.

They were happy, and their parent was happy. It was like this beautiful compromise. I would. Never thought of that myself, ever in a meal in a million years. And it worked out great for them. Everyone was happy. It was a win-win. And they maintained it, as far as I know

Jen Hanson: since then. Yeah. Amazing. You're giving your client permission to live the way they need to live, to function.

Yeah. And that is like the ultimate gift because clients don't even know what they can do.

Carly: Hundred percent. that is an amazing story, and it is something I find that comes up a lot. I am sure this comes up with you too. People get caught up in, what is the “right” way or “best” way to do things. What's going to be the best choice?

I was telling somebody who was a senior in high school, and I was like, listen, this took me way too long to realize. But there is not necessarily a right. There's just a series of choices, and then it just takes you on another path.

that is it. That is how home organization is too. There's no best way. It is more like what way works for you and is simple enough for you to maintain. That is the best thing for you and we should just lean into it because that is it.

Jen Hanson: that is exactly, totally bravo. Just the path.

Carly: Path of least resistance, guys.

Jen Hanson: That is all we want. Absolutely.

Carly: So Jen, let's talk about the resources on your website and we can link these in the show notes as well. Can you tell us more about the resources that you have available and how folks can stay in touch with you?

Jen Hanson: Okay. Absolutely. Let's see, a few I have on my website, one is add.org. I love this one, in particular, because It has lots of support groups, and “getting things done” groups. Many of them are run by ADHD coaches that I know. It is great because you got a coach running it.

You've got other people who get it and you feel in a community where you're not alone. But they also have lots of resources on their website. Chadd is another one. It is for children and adults with ADHD. Also, that is more of a professional site for, you know, even psychiatrists, psych coaches, anybody in the ADHD world.

I think I have some magazines, like Attitude magazine. Just a nice place to get general resources and articles about things that come up around ADHD. One I do not have on there and I realize I want to add is the ACO, which is the ADHD Coaching Organization. This is where you could find an ADHD coach.

So they have filters on there where you can say, this is what I am looking for in my coach. And you can find coaches that you can reach out to. They'll have bios on there. It is a great resource to find coaches. And I do have a couple of articles on there. One's from the New York Times about ADHD coaching, and there's one that was recently in Harper's Bazaar about women and getting diagnosed in adulthood. I am also going to add the article about Women and Understanding the journey.

You can find me on Facebook- My business is called Nautilus Life Coach. My Instagram handle is @adhdiscovery.rn

You can reach out to me through any of those platforms.

Carly: Awesome. Awesome. Before we wrap up today do you have any final thoughts that you would want to leave folks as they are listening to this episode?

Jen Hanson: Yeah, I love that. Advocate for yourself. If you think this is a journey that you're already been on and you don't have the diagnosis and you've been struggling to advocate, ask your providers, and tell them what's been going on in your life.

You know, reflect on that and advocate until you get what you need. Because the statistics around untreated undiagnosed ADHD are dire, but if you're treated, you're diagnosed and you have support, I mean, you could do anything in this world. So just advocate and get what you need to support yourself.

Carly: I love it so much. And as a reminder, we are going to have Jen's info in the show notes. We will have her website, socials, and the resources that she mentioned as well. So be sure to follow and connect with her. And Jen, thank you so much for coming today and for sharing your wisdom. I appreciate it.

Jen Hanson: Thank you so much. It was so much fun.

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