Ep 35 - How to Do Habits Differently: Featuring Monica Packer

 

Monica Packer shares her personal struggles with traditional habit formation methods and introduces her approach, the Sticky Habits Method, which is designed for real women with real lives. Throughout the episode, Monica provides practical tips for overcoming common obstacles such as lack of motivation and self-doubt, emphasizing the importance of starting small and celebrating progress. She also encourages listeners to approach habit formation with self-compassion and to remember that progress is not always linear. If you're struggling to create habits that stick, Monica's approach will inspire and empower you to take action toward your goals.

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 Welcome, welcome. I hope you are having a wonderful week so far. Before I get started with my chat this week with one of my favorite people, Monica Packer. We are gonna be talking all about habits today, and I just wanted to give you a heads up that we have a special offer for you at the end of the episode. So check it out. I can't wait to hear your thoughts. Special offer at the end, and I'm just gonna let us take it away. 

Carly: I am so stoked to bring you guys this conversation today because I'm talking to one of my favorite people. I'm gonna go ahead and say Biz bestie, Monica Packer.

Monica: Thank you biz bestie.

Carly: We have been internet friends for a long time. We still have never met in real life, but

Monica: weird world.

Carly: It's a weird world.

Yeah. But we send each other messages, we encourage each other. We talk about more than business. And I appreciate you so much.

Monica: Thank you. That's such a beautiful way to begin. It's a symbiotic relationship here. I feel that way too.

Carly: And thank you. Thank you. And I know we're gonna, we'll dig into it and about how we came to connect, and it'll be very clear to everybody quickly that our people are the same.

Their struggles right in their heart are the same. I feel like that's what drew us together in the first place.

Monica: Oh yeah, me too. It's funny, what we do is so different. But why we're here and the community that we work with could just be twins.

Carly: Yep, a hundred percent. Before we dig in even a little bit more, I'm gonna give my common regular disclaimer that Gimli is here snoring. So you might hear that. But Monica, for those who are not familiar with About Progress. Tell us who you are and what you do in the world.

Monica: Sure. So I'm primarily a podcaster at About Progress and in my community we focus on practical personal development. And when I say that, I mean it's just how to grow and progress and find fulfillment and work on goals and habits and cleaning and organization and all the things with progress, not perfection being the goal. And as part of our work, we learn that that actually makes you grow even better and in more lasting ways than if you were going for the perfect route, which is why we were attracted to each other.

So that's my community. And it's been such a wild ride for like seven years of working on this. it started just as a personal experiment for myself of trying to find myself again outside of perfectionism. At that point in my life, I was an underachieving perfectionist, which I did not know was a thing, and realizing that perfectionism is the fear of failure and it can either keep you on the sidelines or it can, you know, make you on that hamster wheel. Either way, there's a cost that you are paying and I was paying a pretty steep cost at that point in my life for an underachieving perfectionist. I just had to find my way back to me. I had to find my way back to all parts of me, parts I had lost along the way, which included weirdly you know, things like having ambition again.

That also included other weird things like wanting to bake more, like things that the world's not gonna be like putting on the front pages. But it's changed my life and it's been an incredible path. Alongside that, I'm also a mom to now five kids and we're, you know, just doing the best we can each day.

Carly: And congrats again on baby number five. I know your most recent edition is so cute and I'm so happy for you.

Monica: Thanks. He's been a lot of fun

Carly: I love the message that you have. There are a few people in my life where the messages that you're putting out into the world just really resonate so deeply because I too am a recovering perfectionist.

 As someone whose life was kind of, I don't wanna say wildly out of control, but like not, not wildly out of control. As I took the reins and kind of brought it together, I felt like, okay, I've got this, but then I just got wound so tight. I kind of lost my way a little bit and it was definitely affecting my health.

That was a big wake-up call.  The work you're doing is so important and it's so, so helpful to help us realize that the progress really is the goal versus. Getting everything done in this perfect, perfect way because it's unattainable and you'll just spin your wheels trying to make it happen and just be constantly disappointed in yourself when really you're doing amazing.

Monica: It's so easy to overlook that we only have this all-or-nothing model in a lot of areas of our life. And I think organization in your field is no different. I mean, the way you see it, you see the beautiful images you see, the perfect calligraphy, the colors sort of things, which are all fun.

Like we're not gonna drag on that. That's all great. Like it works for many people. But having that be the parameter is hard, like you said, both to meet, but also to sustain. But it's that way in almost every area of our lives that we want to improve, whether it's meditation or movement, journaling or just having hobbies again, or working on a business, that all-or-nothing model fails us.

But instead of realizing that, we just go right to blaming ourselves like you just said. You know, we just think we're the problem. Yeah. When really the model that we've been given, that's what's broken. The all-or-nothing model, it's broken.

Carly: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Monica: One more. Yes. Yes.

Carly: So one of the things that you talk about a lot on the podcast that I just think is absolutely brilliant and really dials in this message is that you often talk about the takeaways from your podcast as the one action you can do to move forward.

 How did you come up with that concept and why is it important to you? Because I love it so much.

Monica: Thank you. So we call that our do something challenge, and it's like you said, doing one small thing that you can do to move forward. This goes back to the problem we talked about with the all-or-nothing model. A little bit of how that sets us up to fail.

We think, you know, in order to get what I want, here's what I have to do without realizing, Perfect. That's perfection. Because of that, we often just land on the nothing pile. Instead of when people say, I'm an all-or-nothing person, what they really are saying is they become a nothing girl.

You know? We just become a nothing girl because that's the only model we have. So in my path to work on progress outside of perfectionism. Instead of doing all which comes at a cost and instead of doing nothing, which also comes at a cost. I was trying to learn how to do something, and that meant that failure was along for the ride.

Compassion had to be part of the growth, and it was not just a mindset, but it was also a practice. What's one small way I can grow and change or try this new thing or try again? What's one thing I can do to tweak what I was working on that didn't work well? and, that lent itself in the podcast too, because we get such a wealth of information every single episode.

That was a way to not only distill what was important from the episode but to give us action steps that we can take because a bigger picture of what we worked on together in the community it's a progress model. That's built on this whole premise that small wins build over time.

So having the mindset that doing something is better than all and it's better than nothing and we're gonna have the, the actual action to follow that, that is what can help us grow in those small ones building over.

Carly: I love it and it's so much easier emotionally because a lot of this boils down to emotion, which doesn't sound intuitive, but it is.

And emotionally it's easier to remember that one thing that can make a difference versus the 10 takeaways.

Monica: And also I'd add energetically. It's a big factor right there. A lot of even our emotions are based on where our energy state is at. If anyone has dealt with depression, which I have. It's almost like an energy illness without you actually being physically ill, although it can definitely manifest that way. But that's the do-something mindset to me too, it's something that we can do with low energy. And what's great about that is that energy can build over time too. And there's this whole other tangent I can go down about motivation and how that doesn't work and momentum's the answer.

But it comes back to this. It's energy, it's emotions, it's having that mindset and the action to follow it.

Carly: Yeah. I love that so much, and I am really glad that you touched on that because I think that depression, and anxiety factors into a lot of what our folks are going through.
It's an ebb and a flow.

Not every day looks the same, but it's important to feel seen and heard in those moments when you're not feeling your best.

Monica: And to know that you're not alone. Never alone.  That doesn't mean that you have to always wait, too, for things to get better until the circumstances are ideal.

Not to say like, let's blame the victim and get up and pull yourself up by their bootstraps and just get going. It's more like, what is one small thing I can do to support myself through this really hard time?

Carly: Yeah, exactly. Like what, what's the manageable action? Love it.

I know that we're gonna dive into habits today too... And that is my word of the year.

Monica: I loved hearing that.

Carly: It truly was everything that we're gonna talk about next is just kind of serendipitous. Why do you feel that habits are such an important topic for folks to concentrate on?

Monica: For me, it was never planned or even a desire of mine to get into habit formation like whatsoever. Especially early on with my community, it was more just about finding ourselves again and trying to find fulfillment and growth. But I got to a certain place in my growth that where I had a big plateau. I had some fulfillment and some growth and change, but I knew I was capable of more. We all know what that feels like when you just kind of feel a little blah.

I'm just not where I know I need to be and I can be and I want to be. For me, it came down to the basic ways of my day-to-day life that were living out the deeper things that had changed about me or that I'd come back to. . . So I'd worked a lot on my identity. I had worked a lot on figuring out what helps me feel like me too. Without habits like sleep, that was my first big shift right there.

Without having supportive habits to hold up that identity and to make that fulfillment possible. That was great knowledge to have without actually feeling it and living it out in ways that were helpful to me. So habits matter. They are there to support us. They're there to support who we are, what we want, what we need, and where we're headed.

They're there to support our values. They're, they're what make the deep stuff possible. But we're taught them wrong too. We've caught a little trend here. It's the same thing with habits, and that's why I had no plans to get into it.  I still had this lingering subconscious idea and also practiced that to have whatever habit it was that I wanted… meditation, getting up early to journal again, maybe to meal prep, or you know, I always forget what the word is, but it's something about meals. Where you prep it in advance. I guess it's meal prep? Meal planning! There we go. That's part of it. Whatever that might be, it had to look a very certain way.

 If I were to ask you what's a good exercise habit.  Oh. We all have this thing in mind. We would be able to say exactly what we think that looks like, but it's a should. It's a metric that we're just dragging behind us like a ball and chain. That's what habits have looked and felt like for so many of us for our entire lives.

Just another metric, another thing to pile on ourselves. Instead, what I've learned and what I now teach is that habits, their purpose is to support you, not the other way around. They will look like you. They will feel like you. They will look like your season of life, your time. They will reflect your values, but also your circumstances. And it doesn't have to be about meeting metrics. It's about feeling like yourself every day.

Carly: I love that so much. I've definitely felt the impact of that over time when my habits are In place. I am trending more towards doing the things that I want to do and have part of my schedule regularly so that they support things like me not being down for the count with a migraine or Yeah. Me not down for the count with a migraine. That's really, really what most of my habits revolve around.

Monica: I mean, that's a big thing. That really is when people deal with my mom and my husband's mom both deal with chronic migraines. Like that's no small thing.

Carly: It's those things that you do where you're like, this isn't, it's not the sexy stuff.

But you have time and energy to do the sexy stuff, the things that are more fun because you're fueling the fundamentals.

Monica: Yep. Because you have the energy. And I mean, that's even what habits really are for if we're going down, The basic nuts and bolts of why habits matter. It's energy. And when I keep saying you feel like yourself, that's really what I'm talking about.

I'm not just saying like, you wake up and you're like jumping out of bed kind of energy. It's a different type.

Carly: Yeah

no, but I love that it really does come down to feeling like yourself, the person that you at your core fundamentally want to be, versus. Perfectionism ideal of who you would be in a perfect world.

It's like, no, just like on a regular day, me feeling pretty great. Yeah. What does, what does that look like and what are the things that I need to do to support that?

Monica: You nailed it.

Carly: So tell us about the Sticky Habits method and what you teach in this course, which is the reason that I brought you here because I love it so much.

Monica: One of my biggest goals is to create sustainable change in women. So not the type where it's fleeting because we're using all of our energy to uphold that and then it's gone. Or we learn something and we get all the light bulbs and then we forget it, or we can't even live it out because it's impossible.

I'm kind of thinking about this in terms of this reel of this really awesome businessman and his day in the life. And you know, he gets up at a certain time. It was actually mid-morning, that doesn't matter. We can really put morals to people when they wake up, which is just dumb, whatever.

But for him, you know, he woke up a little bit later, and he had a total hour of silence. Then he gets his meal. He goes through his day and my friend's day, you know, side by side from him. Totally opposite. Like it's, you know, getting up at a certain time because of her responsibilities. It's a quick workout.

It just needed to look different for her. And the reason I'm bringing that up is that for her life and for all the women's lives that I work with, they look a lot different than men's lives. And I have a whole free class on this that we can talk about.  When you look at the bestseller books on habit formation.

When you look at, you know, the research that is done to support those books, they are both written by men and researched on men primarily, by far. As a coach, I have worked with women all across the spectrum in terms of where they are in their life, and what their responsibilities look like.

Married, not married, kids in the home. Kids don't even have kids, you know, retired grandmas, like across the board. And when I began to work with them, we were working on the identity piece, right? Who are you? What matters to you? What do you want and need? What, fulfills you? We found those things, but they got to the same plateaus I did, where they're like, okay, now my growth is at a standstill because my life isn't supporting this.

So we started to try to work on habit formation too. It just had to come along for the ride. And I was using the most up-to-date methods from these. And they were failing. And I was failing too. And you know, at first, I blamed myself, but then when I was coaching women and realizing. They were all feeling too.

We had to realize it's not us, it's not me, it's not these women. It's the ways we've been taught, which I knew with other things, but I didn't know yet about habit formation. That's when I looked at the books and I looked at the research and the case studies and the stories they were sharing in their books.

It is primarily men, if not only men. Okay. That's when I brought in the other research I've done. Eve Rodsky has a great book called Fair Play. Caroline Criado Perez has another great book called Invisible Women. I would just start there. There are so many more books like this where they studied. Yeah, they studied,

Carly: I have, I have one to throw in here too, in the mix that I'm obsessed with by Tiffany Dufu, and it's called Drop the Ball.

It's the same concept. And it's so good.

Monica: I just wrote that down because I am going to read that one. I haven't even heard of that. But, what these women show, like there's actually decades of research and hundreds of researchers who have studied that women's lives look different than men's lives.

Again, I'm gonna say that, doesn't it? It doesn't matter if you have kids or not. Your lives still look different. So because of. Habit formation looks really, really different. The free class I teach is more about the number one reason why women must do habits differently. And I share the biggest reason why the research shows that is, but it really comes down to that our lives are different from men's lives.

And because of that we have to be more flexible, we have to be more reactive. We have. Less energy to give both mental and physical. And that means our habits need to look different. And so I've spent a few years working on creating this method of helping women create habits that stick designed by a woman for women based on research of women.

And again, I did not plan on this, but it's. One, one of the pillars of my work, is still just one, not the only thing. But it's been so fulfilling and actually fun. And the biggest thing for me is just seeing women who are creating those sustainable habits. But more than that, Carly, what they're doing is they're rewiring the way they look at themselves.

Remember back at the beginning of our interview when you're talking about things like when you crash and burn with a habit, and then he just, or any kind of thing you're trying to work on and you blame yourself. You create this identity of a failure, like, right?

Carly:  that is just like a mic drop moment.

That is the same thing that I see with my clients and students.

Monica: I'm sure

Carly: Time and time, again, it's the same.

Monica: I'm bad at this. I'm, I'm lazy. I can't follow through the thing, the thing I, the drawer I worked so hard on. It gets disorganized right away. I'm the worst.

Carly: I tried, but I can, I can never keep it up. Yep. You can't see all the air quotes we're doing guys, but this is, it's a lot of air quotes, lots of air quotes, lots of them because none of it's true.

Monica: So even more than the habits, what they're doing is they're rewiring their identity. They now see themselves as a person who, I'm a meditator. I am a cyclist.

I don't know. I'm a journaler. I'm, I'm a baker, I'm, you know, I'm an organizer. Because, They've learned a different way and made failure not only part of the process but an important, essential part of the process. To build strong habits over time.

Carly: I had this amazing aha moment a few weeks ago because the biggest, the biggest thing that I've been working on this year is to tell myself that perfectionism is a myth.

Perfection is a myth and it's okay if I'm not doing things perfectly. That's not the important part. The important part is that I am continuously giving some effort.

Monica: Yeah, you're doing something.

Carly: I'm doing something. It's not all the things. It's not all the things all the time. It's not some of the things all the time, but there are some continuously. The plan is just don't give up. And I had this moment a few weeks ago where I was going to a book club that I'm in where we read books and my friend runs the book club, which has been great and it has. It's been the most that I've been reading fiction in a long time because I've had so many business books on my list.

That ends up being the focus, which is interesting and I love it, but it's not an escape, it's not, it's not that fun element. I went to book club and I had my book, I mean, it was on Zoom, but I grabbed my book. I was ready to go, and my husband made a comment like, oh, you guys are doing book club?

I said, yeah. He said, how much do you have to have done by the next book club? Because he could see where my bookmark was. And I said, oh, that's it. It's just one book a month, so this is it today and then we'll be done. I'll take this back to the library. He was like, but you didn't finish it. And I said, Uhhuh.

And he said, then what's the point of the book club?  That's not the point for me. The point is that I only read like 50 pages of the last book. The point is that I am trying and that I'm reading. And that's okay too. My point is that I'm letting go of perfectionism.

To have that come out of my mouth with confidence,

Monica: That's amazing.

Carly: I was like, oh, that's a good moment for me. Because in the past I would've been really embarrassed or stressed. Maybe not shown up or I mean, even some shame there, you know, like everybody else read the book. I didn't read the book, but I went to it and just said, Hey, I read about 50 pages and I watched the show before we started the book.

So I have some things to input, but I won't be talking a lot and that's okay too. And I still had fun.

Monica: And what was the book? I feel like I'm not gonna be the only one who's curious. What is the book?

Carly: The book was called Fleishman Is in Trouble.

Monica: I haven't even heard of that one.

Carly: It's also an Amazon series.

I watched the series and then it got chosen for the book. So, yeah, I mean, I like it. It's interesting. It's about relationships and long-term and there are twists and turns and things you don't expect, It's good.

Monica: Well, I'm gonna add that. That's my second book now from our interview together.

I wanna say one thing though that you made me think of. Yeah. I'm glad that you and I, and many women hopefully who are listening are learning this now. One of the surprising things about my work is who signs up to work with me. What’s surprising about them is that a lot of the women I've ended up working with are in their sixties and seventies.

I've been surprised about this because  I'm a 36-and-a-half-year-old and if I were these women, I'd be like, what does she know? Do you know? I would just think I've lived a life ahead of you. I know these things. But what I love about these women is 1- they are open to learning and I learn from them about different things.

Like, we have different pieces of this big puzzle, right? I'm bringing this piece to them and they bring other pieces to me. They truly do. But what I love about these women is not only are they open, but they are learning things that are still changing their lives right now. These are things we are trying to change for generations ahead of them too. I'm so honored to work with these women. My heart also breaks when I hear about the different ways that they have suffered for decades and they didn't have to. Thanks to just trying to be, they were just following the model that they were given, and they were just doing their best with what they were given.

Now they're learning a new way and it's miraculous to see what changes for them.

Carly: I've had weeks where my clients have been spanning like 15 and 87. Wow. And I am learning so much from everyone.

Monica: Yeah, you truly do.

Carly: And it's so great too. I honestly feel like between that and some other experiences in my life, it has changed the way that I have thought about aging. Which, when I was 20 just seemed terrible.

And did I cry on my 30th birthday because I was “like so old”? Yes, I did. 

Yeah. And now, when I turned 40 I was like, it's happening. I'm still here, guys. It's basically a miracle. I'm so excited. 

I celebrated a Friend's 50th recently. I'm like, girl, I'm so happy for you. We  have so much to teach each other and learn and grow. The models we have are so different from what our grandmothers had. And our moms had.

I''m very happy to be a part of the shift in the model, which was not good.

Monica: No. It was so, so damaging, so destructive.

So let's root them out because there are some of those still in us and in the ways that we are trying to grow and change, but we just have to root them out and call them what they are. Call 'em out. Yeah. You're crap. So, yeah. 

Carly: You're a bad story. Kick rocks. Get on outta here. Like my husband would say, go on, get.

Monica: Well, he sounds like my family.

Carly: He is. Okay, so let's talk about resistance because I know the biggest resistance that so many folks have is the time that it takes to get things done on their to-do list. If someone is thinking about that and I know you are girl. I know you are. How do folks fit the Sticky Habits method into their schedule? When their time is full. Their plates are full.

Monica: I'm gonna go back to one of the concepts you learn about in the Sticky Habit Method, and that's how consistency works. Because of flexibility. These are not competing ideals. Consistency is only possible when flexibility is along for the ride. That is true for habits.

It's true for organization. It's true for taking a course that if you tell yourself, I have to sit down for an hour each day. Study this material, then you might have a good week of that and then it's gonna be really hard to maintain energy-wise, time-wise. So this course was one designed for that, just so people know all of the lessons are 20 minutes or less in length, and they're very carefully designed to build off of each other.

The most important part that I like about it is like, as I did not teach this course to impress you with what I know. It's not about how many words can I fit in. And how many things can I reference and how can I impress you? What do you absolutely need to know? Here it is.

And here it is in the way that's going to help you remember it the best and grow the best with the least amount of time. So it's designed for that. But let's talk about that concept though. Like with everything else that you're gonna work on, whether it's working on your pantry and making sure it's actually functioning well for your family, or you wanna work on journaling as a habit, you must have flexibility, and that means that whatever you start, whatever new thing it is, course pantry habit, make sure it's built off the ideal of

What can I do on my worst day? That's where not only start, but that's also the foundation I always come back to. I always have five minutes to do something organization-wise, each day I have, I always will have one minute to journal on my worst day. Always have five minutes to work on a course.

That's the small wins. Building over time. That will help you have the foundation and to have the consistency you need to grow more over.

Carly: I love it. Sorry. Gim is really snoring now, so there's just no ignoring it. But I love it. But I love that so much because it's, it's really true. And we end up talking about this same concept a lot in our group, which is one of the reasons why I loved it, this sticky habits method so much.

Because as I was taking it as a student, there were many times where I was like, oh yeah. Yeah. It was a light bulb moment, but it's also things I'm teaching other people about home organization that I'm like, yeah, girl, you can just apply this to your own life in different ways. And that works too, right? I'm like, yeah.

Monica: We always need people like that. I mean, that's how it is with even my podcast managers. Like Monica, here is something you say all the time. That is true for your podcast too, you know? Or like, I had a therapist too who's thrown it back in our faces. The therapist was like, this is the answer. I was like, I say that all the time to like my kids, or you know, to all my clients. We all need someone to just tell us about it. Yeah. We already know but in different ways.

Carly: Yeah. The course, the method is it's so good and I truly am a fan.

I wanna make sure that I say that because it's really, truly very helpful and succinct and the process flows and it's wonderful. So I appreciate everything that you do.

Monica: Thank you. And I should say I used to be a middle school teacher, so I feel like it's fun. I get to use my professional skills, but in different ways.

And I kind of think all women, I try to treat us as like the middle schoolers with limited time and attention and time and ability to follow through. And I don't say that in a mean way. I mean, let's think about real life. Like this is who this course is for.

Carly: A hundred percent. And as somebody who was the angstiest of middle schoolers, I truly appreciate that because you have a very gentle way of teaching and dialing in the point, and it's just great.

Monica: Thanks. That means a lot to me.

Carly: Before I let you go, do you have final thoughts that you want to share with our folks?

Monica: I wanna come back to that puzzle we kind of talked about. Because I love learning. I love learning so much, and when I listen to something really good like this, or I read a book that is really compelling or I watch a TED Talk or whatever I may be, I just am always in awe of that person and I think it's so incredible what they have to teach me.

It's true that every single person has a piece to this big puzzle. So I'm so glad I got to share some pieces today, and I love that I get to learn from Carly and what her pieces are.  I want  people who are listening to have that faith in themselves, that they have a piece to offer too, that I don't have and you don't have, or someone else around them.

That might sound super cheesy, and in fact, I know it is cheesy the way I just said it. On top of everything we have going on, working against us in our lives… One that I see a lot is a lack of confidence and a lack of just believing in what we have to give. So if you can just take a moment and just to even think about that, well, what would my peace be?

 My little nine-year-old boy brought home this darling bag he made at school where he cross-stitched the front and wrote his name on it in stitching. He goes to this hippie school, which I adore for that very reason. But he had a teacher teach him that my daughter who's on the autism spectrum was learning how to knit last year.

It's really hard for her fine motor-wise. I don't know how to knit. And her teacher's not this YouTube star who teaches people how to knit or on Instagram, but she took the time a couple of times a week to sit next to my daughter. And basically hold her hands to teach her how to knit.

And, you know, that's, that's a piece, that's a, just a small example of what that meant to her, what it meant to my son, what it meant to me. You have that. So what could that be? What's your knitting, what's your habit obsession? What is your thing?  How can you share that with people?

Carly: I love that so much. And it's so true.

Monica: Thank you. I need that reminder too.

Carly: Where can folks find you, Monica?

Monica: Go to my podcast. That's where I would start, especially if you're on a podcast app right now, just search for About Progress.

I referenced a free class earlier. The Number One Reason Why Women Must Do Habits Differently. I'll have a link for you to give to them. It's a 45-minute class that will change the way you view habits. Most importantly, why you have failed at them in one way or another, and how it's not your fault. We need to stop that internal dialogue.

Carly: Yeah. We will have all of these links in the show notes for you, so it'll be easy peasy, but definitely, definitely check that out.

Monica: Thank you. It's been great to be here with you.

Carly: Thank you for being here with me. I appreciate you and it's always a good time to catch up with you.

Make sure to check out the free class we mentioned earlier. Additionally, the About Progress team is offering a special discount on the Sticky Habit Method, which is available until April 26th. By using the code "Carly," you can save 20%.

I have found the Sticky Habit Method to be incredibly helpful in my own life. The way Monica teaches aligns closely with my teaching style, so if you enjoy my content, you'll love hers too. She's also amazing, and I highly recommend taking advantage of this special offer.

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